{"id":138460,"date":"2020-08-27T22:41:17","date_gmt":"2020-08-27T20:41:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.electrive.com\/?p=138460"},"modified":"2024-06-19T14:43:12","modified_gmt":"2024-06-19T12:43:12","slug":"entrevista-a-barton-sidles-de-hubject-sobre-la-ley-avanzada-de-camiones-limpios-en-california","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.electrive.com\/es\/2020\/08\/27\/interview-barton-sidles-from-hubject-on-the-advanced-clean-trucks-act-in-california\/","title":{"rendered":"Entrevista: Barton Sidles de Hubject sobre los camiones limpios avanzados (ACT) en California"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>En un encuentro en l\u00ednea entre Berl\u00edn y Los \u00c1ngeles, Carrie Hampel entrevist\u00f3 a Barton Sidles, Director Senior de Desarrollo Corporativo y Empresarial de Hubject, sobre la nueva norma Advanced Clean Trucks (ACT) establecida por la Junta de Recursos Atmosf\u00e9ricos de California (CARB). <!--more--><\/p>\n<p>California exige a los fabricantes que vendan una proporci\u00f3n cada vez mayor de camiones, furgonetas y camionetas el\u00e9ctricas a partir de 2024 y hasta 2035. Para el a\u00f1o 2045, todos los veh\u00edculos comerciales nuevos que se vendan en el estado norteamericano deber\u00e1n tener propulsi\u00f3n de emisiones cero, seg\u00fan <a href=\"https:\/\/www.electrive.com\/es\/2020\/06\/27\/california-presenta-un-programa-avanzado-de-camiones-limpios\/\">Reglamento ACT<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Esto significa que las empresas y los municipios disponen ahora de un plazo calculable en el que tendr\u00e1n que electrificar su flota de veh\u00edculos comerciales. Hubject ofrece una plataforma que se encuentra entre los mayores mercados digitales B2B internacionales de servicios relacionados con la carga de veh\u00edculos el\u00e9ctricos, as\u00ed como de consultor\u00eda para las empresas que electrifican sus flotas.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Electrive: En primer lugar preguntarle sobre <a href=\"https:\/\/www.electrive.com\/es\/etiqueta-2\/hubject\/\">Hubject<\/a> - \u00bfcu\u00e1les son los principales aspectos relevantes para Hubject en relaci\u00f3n con la norma Advanced Clean Trucks?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Barton Sidles<\/strong>: As\u00ed que lo que estamos haciendo es mirar al mundo de la normativa Advanced Clean Truck, la normativa ACT. Est\u00e1 mirando a las empresas, principalmente a las flotas, incluso a los municipios y c\u00f3mo pueden aprovechar esta ampliaci\u00f3n de las opciones de veh\u00edculos que est\u00e1n llegando al mercado. Hubject est\u00e1 ayudando a las empresas que buscan evaluar las opciones de veh\u00edculos y el coste total de propiedad, incluidos los costes operativos y el ahorro que pueden ofrecer los veh\u00edculos el\u00e9ctricos de bater\u00eda. Y luego, adem\u00e1s de eso, la propia recarga.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Un aspecto clave que parece abordar Hubject es que las empresas compatibilicen sus modelos de negocio en las fases iniciales para no tener mayores costes m\u00e1s adelante. \u00bfPuede explicarnos un poco al respecto?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Claro. As\u00ed que esto tiene que ver con mirar las necesidades del cliente y ser capaz de proyectar la construcci\u00f3n del modelo de negocio y los casos de uso para sus necesidades. Le dar\u00e9 un ejemplo en el que estamos mirando las rutas. As\u00ed que las rutas son un gran reto en este momento porque se remonta a los veh\u00edculos y lo que est\u00e1 disponible. Las opciones que tenemos y donde el ACT es beneficioso para los propietarios de flotas es que esto va a aumentar no s\u00f3lo el n\u00famero de veh\u00edculos (de cero emisiones) sino las opciones de veh\u00edculos - probablemente antes de lo que la gente pensaba debido a que los OEM ser\u00e1n penalizados si no lo hacen.<\/p>\n<p>As\u00ed que los desaf\u00edos con eso en este momento son, digamos que tienen un cliente ha tallo millas, que son una especie de perdido. Eso significa que el dep\u00f3sito est\u00e1 fuera del centro de la ciudad. Tienen de 40 a 50 millas que s\u00f3lo est\u00e1n conduciendo antes de llegar al primer cliente. As\u00ed que por lo tanto si tienen, digamos aproximadamente cien millas que tienen que conducir, y luego otras 50 de vuelta eso son 200 millas. Bueno, no hay muchos veh\u00edculos que ofrezcan esa autonom\u00eda ahora mismo.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00bfY qu\u00e9 hacen?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Entonces est\u00e1 diciendo, hagamos algunas asociaciones. Quiz\u00e1 haya un lugar donde la descarga de los productos sea lo suficientemente larga como para que tal vez un cargador r\u00e1pido de corriente continua tenga sentido all\u00ed para que el veh\u00edculo cargue. Le pondr\u00e9 un ejemplo. Digamos que un hospital tiene muchas entregas diferentes a \u00e9l que podr\u00eda decir, de acuerdo, bueno, entonces podr\u00edamos ser capaces de proporcionar este servicio a algunos de nuestros otros clientes porque estamos utilizando la electricidad, la reducci\u00f3n de las emisiones de efecto invernadero es una ventaja general para nuestras iniciativas de sostenibilidad. As\u00ed que aqu\u00ed es donde estoy escuchando a los clientes, mirando a largo plazo, mirando cu\u00e1les son sus necesidades. Hablamos con nuestros clientes de contemplar esto desde los casos de uso y el crecimiento del negocio.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00bfVe colaboraciones entre, digamos, los supermercados, por ejemplo, y las empresas de log\u00edstica con la infraestructura de recarga?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Absolutamente. Las tiendas de comestibles son un buen ejemplo en dos casos: Uno es en el lado B2B. As\u00ed que la entrega de veh\u00edculos medianos o pesados cuando se est\u00e1 descargando el producto, el veh\u00edculo est\u00e1 sentado all\u00ed cuando se est\u00e1 descargando. Pero tambi\u00e9n tienes el lado m\u00e1s B2C el negocio al consumidor, donde ya est\u00e1s viendo ahora mismo, colaboraciones con <a href=\"https:\/\/www.electrive.com\/es\/etiqueta-2\/electrificar-america\/\">Electrificar Am\u00e9rica<\/a> a otras redes de recarga, incluso ir con gente como Walmart o con Wholefoods. Y eso lo va a ver cada vez m\u00e1s, sobre todo cuando exista la necesidad de que algunas de estas redes de recarga proporcionen la infraestructura de recarga a sus miembros, pero tambi\u00e9n a medida que crezca el n\u00famero de veh\u00edculos el\u00e9ctricos. As\u00ed que hay muchas oportunidades para la colaboraci\u00f3n, y tambi\u00e9n ayuda a repartir un poco los costes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Existen incentivos para que una empresa reciba ayudas para los gastos de electricidad y los costes de los veh\u00edculos, pero \u00bfqu\u00e9 ocurre con su infraestructura de recarga?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>S\u00ed, hay incentivos para la infraestructura de carga, seguro: Incentivos para la infraestructura que conduce a la carga, a la unidad de carga y luego tambi\u00e9n incentivos para la propia estaci\u00f3n de carga. Hay varios reembolsos o programas que algunas de las empresas de servicios p\u00fablicos est\u00e1n ofreciendo. Tomemos el ejemplo de California<strong><em>, <\/em><\/strong>que han aprobado incentivos para la instalaci\u00f3n de infraestructura el\u00e9ctrica hasta el emplazamiento del cliente hasta la estaci\u00f3n de recarga, y pueden ofrecer vales para el propio cargador. Y adem\u00e1s de eso, tambi\u00e9n est\u00e1n las reci\u00e9n establecidas tarifas el\u00e9ctricas para veh\u00edculos comerciales de emisiones cero. As\u00ed que realmente est\u00e1n intentando ayudarles en todo ese proceso.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00bfHasta qu\u00e9 punto es relevante el hidr\u00f3geno en este momento para Hubject cuando asesora a las empresas? \u00bfSe ci\u00f1e a las bater\u00edas el\u00e9ctricas o la econom\u00eda del hidr\u00f3geno ya es relevante?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>En la norma Advanced Clean Trucks, es relevante para una clase m\u00e1s espec\u00edfica. Tenemos algunos clientes que est\u00e1n interesados en convertir algunos de sus veh\u00edculos que tienen un recorrido m\u00e1s largo. Y simplemente no existe el BEV, las opciones de veh\u00edculos el\u00e9ctricos de bater\u00eda que hay ahora mismo. As\u00ed que, absolutamente - el hidr\u00f3geno es una soluci\u00f3n interesante para el caso de uso correcto.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Si hay un propietario de un negocio diciendo, vale, bien, voy a electrificar mi flota y estoy mirando a la carga, pero no quiero quedar atrapado si la red se cae que no pueda cargar mis veh\u00edculos y que mi negocio se detenga efectivamente. Quiz\u00e1 pueda hablarnos m\u00e1s sobre c\u00f3mo se protegen los propietarios de negocios de quedarse sin electricidad, b\u00e1sicamente, tambi\u00e9n ante los problemas de la red de California.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Estamos atravesando una ola de calor y, por desgracia, muchos incendios forestales. Y por eso, por el calor, est\u00e1 subiendo el uso de la electricidad y del aire acondicionado. S\u00ed, tiene toda la raz\u00f3n, es una parte importante de la ecuaci\u00f3n. Pero curiosamente, con el aumento del n\u00famero de veh\u00edculos el\u00e9ctricos, habr\u00e1 m\u00e1s demanda de energ\u00eda, pero como vemos m\u00e1s que la demanda se puede equilibrar cuando se tiene una red inteligente. Y hacia eso se est\u00e1 moviendo California, para desplazar la carga a los periodos valle. Este aumento de la demanda tambi\u00e9n har\u00e1 que la red sea m\u00e1s eficiente. Y esto es algo de lo que la CPC, la Comisi\u00f3n de Servicios P\u00fablicos de California, es muy consciente.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>En un encuentro en l\u00ednea entre Berl\u00edn y Los \u00c1ngeles, Carrie Hampel entrevist\u00f3 a Barton Sidles, Director Senior de Desarrollo Corporativo y Empresarial de Hubject, sobre el nuevo proyecto Advanced Clean<\/p>","protected":false},"author":24,"featured_media":91750,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[9942],"tags":[14488,16771,21213,3701,9940,5310,10174,11274,7098,645,5955,1113,609,4205,21214,12617],"class_list":["post-138460","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-fleets","tag-act","tag-background","tag-bart-sidles","tag-bev","tag-california","tag-carb","tag-charging-stations","tag-electric-trucks","tag-fcev","tag-hubject","tag-interview","tag-iso-15118","tag-usa","tag-v2g","tag-v2v","tag-zev"],"acf":{"inhalt_teil2":"<p><strong>But what does that mean for vehicle owners?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The advantage with electric vehicles is being part of this. And with the medium and heavy-duty is then you get into some really interesting areas, like a district <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cpuc.ca.gov\/General.aspx?id=10710\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">integrated distributed energy resources, IDER<\/a> \u2013 the input of electricity from the grid from renewables, but also can be from battery storage. Adding electric vehicles as part of the IDER solution \u2013 you have not only smart communication through smart charging of two-way communication, but then you have two-way energy flow (V2G).<\/p>\n<p>So all of a sudden you have a fleet company that has this core business of transporting people or goods from point A to B, but then you also have this amazing opportunity for them to be energy providers.<\/p>\n<p><strong>So how would a business become a part of that?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>A lot of times when we&#8217;re working with our clients fleet companies, we have to take a look at what is their requirement? What are we looking at in terms of the miles driven their routes and the use of the time and the use of the vehicle, because it could be, you know, for example, a school bus has use in the morning, but then it has a break. So, therefore, it could be charging and using solar at that time. And then it will use again in the afternoon and then be able to charge in the evening. So, the idea is that, of course, the grid is extremely important. And I think that blackouts or not having any electricity generation for a longer period of time creates a challenge, no matter what kind of, transportation mode you have, whether it&#8217;s ICE or electric, but battery storage <a href=\"https:\/\/www.electrive.com\/2020\/02\/28\/electrify-america-is-building-solar-powered-charging-stations\/\">and solar will all be part of it<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>I mean, there&#8217;s a lot of different setups that you could have, but then it could also be back into a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.electrive.com\/2020\/07\/12\/california-funds-2nd-life-project-for-microgrids\/\">microgrid environment<\/a>. <em><br \/>\n<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Potentially does that mean if the main grid does go down a microgrid is still operational?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>That is the intention. In terms of the energy California, and a lot of other States are moving towards renewable. And Governor Newsom has actually said renewables are difficult because they can&#8217;t ramp up like we have now. So I think that transportation and the energy source have to grow together. But also, you&#8217;re absolutely right, I see that there&#8217;s the microgrid where, a fleet of, let&#8217;s say 50 to a hundred vehicles, all of a sudden has quite a bit of energy to provide, especially in the evening time when that&#8217;s, the cars are already full and then to be able to feed into a microgrid.<\/p>\n<p>I think that that is that&#8217;s overall, like what we&#8217;re working with clients and saying, how can we incorporate this first in your micro-environment of a, let&#8217;s say, a factory or a depot, and where you might have solar already. So this is all an integrated process, the electricity generation, and then the electricity use through the vehicle.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hubject has been instrumental in enabling the ISO 15118. Can you say a few words about that?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>ISO 15118 involves plug &amp; charge capabilities, even smart charging. So the ISO 15118 is a protocol that is strictly related to the secure communication between the charging station and the electric vehicle.<\/p>\n<p>As you probably know, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.electrive.com\/2020\/08\/19\/my21-porsche-taycan-comes-with-plug-and-charge-plus-fod\/\">Porsche Taycan<\/a>, the Ford Mach-e, then you&#8217;ve got the Audi e-tron and other vehicles that are coming out with it. It&#8217;s just very easy to plug it in and the authentication, so the security aspect, happens and that&#8217;s very good for the smarts of the vehicle, the smarts of the hardware, the charging station, and also the smarts of the grid. We&#8217;re starting to talk about the idea of the technology \u2013 the protocol \u2013 being able to offer, plug &amp; charge, smart charging, and then bi-directional. When you&#8217;re talking about bi-directional and the idea of a certain amount of electricity going back into the grid, you want to make sure that that is authenticated, that that is trusted.<\/p>\n<p>And, from what you were also talking about (plug &amp; charge) with fleets, this means that you don&#8217;t have to have additional cards for charging and everything is already inside the vehicle. So it becomes a handy tool, say the fleet managers to make one thing less that drivers to have to deal with.<\/p>\n<p><strong>As you mentioned the examples of the vehicles that are compatible with plug &amp; charge \u2013 I wondered to what degree are commercial vehicles prepared for this technology?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>You&#8217;re right, it is happening now initially with more passenger vehicles. And, I think that this, at least for the communication is going to be happening more and more. You might be aware that there&#8217;s a group called <a href=\"https:\/\/www.electrive.com\/tag\/CHARin\/\">CHARin<\/a>. It&#8217;s actually based the headquarters global headquarters are in Berlin. This organisation is focusing on supporting the CCS standard. And this organisation has also been a driving force behind a high power charging group to define the charging standard for commercial vehicles. And this is going to be based on CCS, which is also compatible with ISO 15118. So I think you will see these companies and the technology is moving into the commercial space. It&#8217;s just because, right now there hasn&#8217;t been the options and the volume of the commercial vehicles, but it will be a tool that they will start to use in the future.<\/p>\n<p><strong> So, for businesses with vans and trucks, that means they&#8217;re buying new vehicles that aren&#8217;t yet being kitted out with this technology that will be more useful in the very near future.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I totally get it. And it&#8217;s a question that often comes up from the industry and hardware manufacturers, whether it&#8217;s from the charging side or the vehicle side. So it makes it a little simple because it&#8217;s not retroactive. This technology is really kind of from today going forward and current charging infrastructure can be upgraded with some hardware and software. So then that&#8217;s just going to be a business question for some of the VSC manufacturers. Also, we are working with Tritium that is providing the charging networks for Ionity in Europe. And here in the States, we&#8217;re working with Electrify America and GreenLots will be the first two charging networks that will be ISO 15118 plug &amp; charge enabled.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Lastly, what are you personally most excited about in the next year?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>For me, I think it is really the options that are coming on the market. And this is both from a consumer side, but even more on a business side, the commitments that we&#8217;ve seen from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.electrive.com\/2020\/06\/02\/rivian-sticks-to-amazon-deadline-despite-pandemic\/\">Amazon and these exciting new companies like Rivian<\/a> that are challenging the legacy companies. There are more opportunities on the market for people to feel more comfortable saying, okay, now I get it.<\/p>\n<p>Also battery: The whole total cost of ownership is very important. I think that once people get in pilot projects and experience that, the penny will drop faster for others to understand, how and why that makes sense and to expand one or two pilot projects into a much larger program.<\/p>\n<p><strong>So you say that this is for all sizes of businesses, that this is already a good scenario for economic benefit. Do you see it that way?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Yes, absolutely. I think that you see this excitement on where this spills over. In the ACT regulation CARB has estimations of billions of dollars of incentives of economic benefits that will come about from economic savings and from health benefits. And so I think that the sustainability aspect of this will resonate more with companies when they see it a bit more tangible and reachable. So I think that, again, it&#8217;s going to be a little bit more in front of people that will start the snowball effect. And that&#8217;s where that becomes very exciting.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Thank you very much for your time!<\/strong><\/p>\n"},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.electrive.com\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/138460","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.electrive.com\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.electrive.com\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.electrive.com\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/24"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.electrive.com\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=138460"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.electrive.com\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/138460\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":223212,"href":"https:\/\/www.electrive.com\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/138460\/revisions\/223212"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.electrive.com\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/91750"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.electrive.com\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=138460"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.electrive.com\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=138460"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.electrive.com\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=138460"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}